Curse

Bryant Again · Mar 02, 2010, 09:05 AM // 09:05

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

I admit to not having played the game recently, but let me get this straight:

They spent 5 months to make an obvious must-nerf even better at worst, and just a little bit worse at best? LOLROFLMAOCOPTERS!

And people wonder why I haven't played this game recently.

I saw the notes, then had to read them again.
And again. And again. And again.
Then I lol'd.

Dodged a pothole on the freeway, only to fly off the bridge.

Mokeiro · Mar 02, 2010, 10:04 AM // 10:04

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Originally Posted by dark4190

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I feel that without the ability to 600/smite with heros I will never 600/smite again (due to my lack of faith in other players).

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Easy fix for you: go play offline solo games, they say Oblivion is nice.

pinkeyflower · Mar 02, 2010, 10:11 AM // 10:11

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Dodged a pothole on the freeway, only to fly off the bridge.

Good analogy for this mess.

voids sleet · Mar 02, 2010, 10:12 AM // 10:12

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Originally Posted by Mokeiro

Easy fix for you: go play offline solo games, they say Oblivion is nice.

might i suggest knights of the nine and shivering isles to go along with it

Test Me · Mar 02, 2010, 10:48 AM // 10:48

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

They spent 5 months to make an obvious must-nerf even better at worst, and just a little bit worse at best?

Valid question. I thought that they spend so much time because they needed to implement some new game mechanic to make SF more interesting (pretty sure RB was suggesting that). Instead they just changed numbers and texts and SF, SB, OF work like VoS only that you can still cast...

Gun Pierson · Mar 02, 2010, 11:09 AM // 11:09

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Originally Posted by Mokeiro

go play offline solo games, they say Oblivion is nice.

Are you relatively new to GW? Because GW ALWAYS catered to solo farmers too.

'ArenaNet tries to keep the game fun for everyone while still providing fun and rewarding play for solo farmers.'

Source: dev update from 2007 (that's almost 3 years ago btw).
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Devel...dates/20070420

sportacus · Mar 02, 2010, 01:30 PM // 13:30

My view on this whole situation, is if you're going to make SF still viable, what's wrong with adding minor buffs to skills like Vow of Silence?

Operations · Mar 02, 2010, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Ecomancer

One could say that I am simply ranting, but look at the way the skills work and their requirements. OB Smash requires 5 energy, deals additional damage and inflicts dazed for a maximum 8 seconds if foe is knocked down.
Compare this to Skull Crack. Its an ELITE attack, requires 9 adrenaline, inflicts daze for 10 seconds maximum but foe needs to be casting a spell. Now it wouldn't have been such an issue if this stupid skill were non elite. But the fact that it is an elite skill and DEALS no additional damage it is one of the most absurd if not idiotic skill ANET have conjured up.

No, you're not ranting. I've noticed the same thing with some Ele skills.

For example, compare Searing Flames to Rodgort's Invocation. To get a similar effect of RI, you must cast SF twice. That's 25 vs 30 energy. The main difference is SF just burns a little longer. It not really worth the elite slot. If they just combined the two effects into one (making it, in essence, an Elite RI) then I could see it.

Meridon · Mar 02, 2010, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Operations

It not really worth the elite slot.

Searing Flames causes no exhaustion, effectively costs only 5 energy with 14 Fire Attunement and 13 Energy Storage, is spammable, has a short activation time, doubles as a great way to cover conditions with it's huge duration, has increased potential with several copies in the team, and most important of all, synergizes incredibly well with pretty much any other Fire Magic skill.

Yes Searing Flames is worth the Elite slot. In fact, in PvE comparison to many other Ele elites, it's worth the elite slot 10 times over.

Abedeus · Mar 02, 2010, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by Operations

No, you're not ranting. I've noticed the same thing with some Ele skills.

For example, compare Searing Flames to Rodgort's Invocation. To get a similar effect of RI, you must cast SF twice. That's 25 vs 30 energy. The main difference is SF just burns a little longer. It not really worth the elite slot. If they just combined the two effects into one (making it, in essence, an Elite RI) then I could see it.

SF is a perfect skill for few people using it at the same time. Cast time is 1 second instead of 2, and recharge is 2 seconds instead of 8. So in the time you cast 4 SFs, you can cast only two RFs, ignoring the cast time.

Morphy · Mar 02, 2010, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Searing Flames promotes casterspikes. I'm sorry, why did you bring this up again?

reaper with no name · Mar 02, 2010, 05:30 PM // 17:30

I feel I owe Anet an apology.

No, not for my assertions that their priorities for buffing are mixed up (Mesmers, dervs, and rangers all needed buffs more than tactics and non-spirit ritualists). Not for my worries that Demonic Flesh will be overpowered in the hands of HB+WA warriors (jury's still out on that one).

One of my primary worries about the preliminary update notes was that the buff to Fear Me would be a huge boon to scythe warriors (a build so good at what it does already that some would argue it makes using a dervish meaningless), possibly to the point that it would make even scythe sins obsolete.

Well, I finally got around to doing the math, and it turns out that a scythe warrior using Fear Me is actually less effective. The reason is that although their crit rate is certainly higher, they have to drop an attack skill in order to take it. The resulting loss of dps from that turns out to be greater than the added dps from the higher crit rate. The amount varies depending on attributes (at some spreads it's a pretty close race), but the scythe warrior appears to always be better off with an additional attack skill rather than Fear Me.

So, sorry for doubting you on that particular detail, anet.

Orry · Mar 02, 2010, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

I feel I owe Anet an apology.

No, not for my assertions that their priorities for buffing are mixed up (Mesmers, dervs, and rangers all needed buffs more than tactics and non-spirit ritualists). Not for my worries that Demonic Flesh will be overpowered in the hands of HB+WA warriors (jury's still out on that one).

One of my primary worries about the preliminary update notes was that the buff to Fear Me would be a huge boon to scythe warriors (a build so good at what it does already that some would argue it makes using a dervish meaningless), possibly to the point that it would make even scythe sins obsolete.

Well, I finally got around to doing the math, and it turns out that a scythe warrior using Fear Me is actually less effective. The reason is that although their crit rate is certainly higher, they have to drop an attack skill in order to take it. The resulting loss of dps from that turns out to be greater than the added dps from the higher crit rate. The amount varies depending on attributes (at some spreads it's a pretty close race), but the scythe warrior appears to always be better off with an additional attack skill rather than Fear Me.

So, sorry for doubting you on that particular detail, anet.

They lowered the percentages since the preliminary notes, didn't they? This may be a reason why.

reaper with no name · Mar 02, 2010, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Huh. I thought so too, but figured it might have been my imagination.

Good. Then it's likely they were listening. This bodes well, considering that they also decided in the end not to buff Steelfang Slash.

Of course, if that's true then it means they probably were doing the math too, because on some of those attribute spreads, it was pretty close (like within 3 dps or so).

Now, if they would only fix dervishes and mesmers...

Lithril Ashwalker · Mar 02, 2010, 08:04 PM // 20:04

everyone i see in towns are tanking with shadowform. even eles with their new update to obby flesh are abusing it. correct me if im wrong, but didn't everyone hate shadowform? isnt this hypocritical?

Cuilan · Mar 02, 2010, 08:05 PM // 20:05

My mesmer can perma again. It's like Ursan, but for running and tanking!

afya · Mar 02, 2010, 08:25 PM // 20:25

oh, post is moved
lemme reply again
Anet forgot why OF has -speed, why BU is 20% instead of 25%, why VoS can't cast spell, why cant perma SB.
I wouldnt say thats a nerf.

Lithril Ashwalker · Mar 02, 2010, 08:51 PM // 20:51

its kinda of really hypocritical, sure im happy that every profession can be used now and sins arent hogging all glory, but, its kind of ...gee...pathetic to say shadow form users suck, then nerf...shadowform rocks my mes uses it ~.~]

its like everyone h8s anet then when they buff or nerf something they are aww i love you anet ...yeah...you like that dont ya... its pathetic.

reaper with no name · Mar 02, 2010, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

everyone i see in towns are tanking with shadowform. even eles with their new update to obby flesh are abusing it. correct me if im wrong, but didn't everyone hate shadowform? isnt this hypocritical?

Depends on why they hated SF in the past.

If, for example, they were like me and hated it because it made playing other professions pointless, then one could easily justify the use of it now, since now all professions can join in.

There are problems with this idea, of course, but I won't go into them because I still don't use SF and it was just an example.

Rest assured, though, there are hypocrites on both sides of the aisle on this one.

Ghost Dog · Mar 02, 2010, 09:55 PM // 21:55

Im no hypocrite, I'm still tired of impatient children chomping at the bit to abuse a game they were 2-3 years late to, yet have more stuff then the people that did it the real way and have quit long ago.

They can RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO off.